From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-09-12 05:52:29 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F61C185.4020005@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get a =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBConventional_Ada_Library=AB?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=28Was=3A_Ideas_for_Ada_200X=29?= References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ED7C8C5.3070902@cogeco.ca> <3ED826BB.9010509@noplace.com> <3F61BA28.3060507@crs4.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:52:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.64.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1063371149 165.247.64.156 (Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:52:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:52:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:42410 Date: 2003-09-12T12:52:29+00:00 List-Id: My contention is that if a Conventional Ada Library is to succeed, you have to get at least *some* of the vendors to agree to distribute it with their product. Ada Europe and/or SIGAda might be perfectly good cloaks of officialness for helping to define what such a library is. I'd be 1000% behind such an effort. However, you've got to get at least a handful of the vendors involved - at least to the level where they agree to accept/distribute the resulting product. (Agree in principle. If the end product is trash, I wouldn't want to force that on them.) My contention is that if a library just simply came along for the ride with any given Ada compiler and there was reasonable assurance that the library would remain "common" accross many implementations, it becomes a de facto standard and makes Ada a more attractive tool. If it is Just Another Ada Library sitting on a web page somewhere with no particular reaction to it from the vendors, it doesn't change the situation at all. We *already* have that and it is not really working well to make Ada a more attractive tool. (It isn't hurting - its just not making any sort of huge impact.) It needs the vendors on board or I'm convinced it won't work. MDC Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote: > > > Ada Europe and SIGAda _do_ have a cloak of "officialness". The question > is if it is sufficiently convincing. > > Jacob -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================