From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,cec04f9d45b3f527 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-31 06:43:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F51FB65.4090904@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: An Ada advocacy method References: <3F4F4817.7030306@noplace.com> <3F50130A.1070406@noplace.com> <3F50A70E.7050809@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:43:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.4.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1062337395 209.165.4.116 (Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:43:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:43:15 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:42006 Date: 2003-08-31T13:43:15+00:00 List-Id: I didn't say that MSVC++ was "Terrific" or that it could do that or any other potentially desirable thing. What I *did* say was that it had a nice set of really tightly integrated capabilities and that this was a good thing. Ultimately, the tighter you integrate things, the less flexibility you're going to have in terms of being able to substitute different tools. Even GPS, you'll notice, lacks some capabilities the minute you try to use it for C or C++. In my book, "Tough Defication" - use it for Ada and if you want to use C++, get an environment tailored for that. Accept a tool for what it does well and don't expect it to be all things to all programmers. If you want flexibility, don't bother with an IDE at all - just use a command-line based compiler and invoke whatever hodgepodge of tools you can collect that might do something useful around it. If you want tight integration and the advantages that has for productivity, then don't expect to be able to substitute your favorite editor or debugger or library or whatever. MDC Luke A. Guest wrote: > > > You've never tried to force MSVC to use a different compiler have you? > It's impossible to do cleanly. > > Luke. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================