From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,cec04f9d45b3f527 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-29 19:59:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F50130A.1070406@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: An Ada advocacy method References: <3F4F4817.7030306@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:59:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.24.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1062212375 209.165.24.247 (Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:59:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:59:35 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41962 Date: 2003-08-30T02:59:35+00:00 List-Id: Do they have an integrated GUI builder that makes the GUI part of the project? (I think ObjectAda comes close at least) Do they have an integrated debugger that works well with the Ada source? (maybe - sort of) Do they have a database & interface to same? (probably not) Does it all come in a single distribution that installs right out of the box with all the pieces? (maybe in part) How about documentation that you jump to when the compiler pukes or you need to know how to use a library routine (I don't think so.) And bringing that up, what about a really nice class library that does all sorts of standard-issue things for you? (I can't see one on the horizon that can compete with what I've seen in other languages) And is there some sort of prefabricated application model that hooks the GUI and the library and your project all together & generates code to do the connections for you? (Not even anywhere in sight.) Having made use of MS Visual C++ and seen how spiffy that was in terms of tightly integrated features, I'd hold that up as a standard against which to measure. (Not for *quality* but at least for giving the programmer a whole pile of well integrated things that enabled building apps for the PC very rapidly - once you understood the model.) A program bombs (as will happen a lot in C++) and you're right there in the debugger - *plus* you could change the source and it automagically made changes to the executing image and you could resume your run. And when you got done building a GUI, it pretty much had the skeleton of whatever you needed for callbacks done for you. Etc. etc. etc. Hey Steph! You got another one of those paper towels??? I'm foaming again!! (Wait a minute... Wes: Is this a troll? :-) MDC Wes Groleau wrote: > > Is EZ2LOAD defunct? > > How about the demo version of ObjectAda ? > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================