From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,52a0bacbcdd2da17 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-21 14:52:47 PST Message-ID: <3F4505A7.EF8@mail.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:47:19 +0100 From: Dmytry Lavrov X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets? References: <5ad0dd8a.0308200255.4e00e2a9@posting.google.com> <3F43C8F2.E5A@mail.ru> <5ad0dd8a.0308210012.4d829d7f@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.248.15.34 X-Trace: shknews01 1061477104 213.248.15.34 (21 Aug 2003 22:45:04 +0800) Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!prodigy.com!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!uunet.MISMATCH!ash.uu.net!bassoon.i-cable.com!news.newttidc.com!news2.ilink.net!shknews01 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41772 Date: 2003-08-21T18:47:19+01:00 List-Id: Wojtek Narczynski wrote: > > Dmytry Lavrov wrote in message news:<3F43C8F2.E5A@mail.ru>... > > > haha, USSR position on patenting ;-) > > Interesting note, have I been so indoctrinated before reaching the age > of 14 :-) Ohh , what's i said?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!! by dr. Freid :-) hhahaha..... > > > Patents are good for me,say,if i will research new engine that have good > > efficiency,i will spend a LOT of my time and money! Where i can get this > > money back if here is no patenting? > > I have some good ideas i will patent.It's not a patenting wheel. > > This is very idealistic, but this will not happen. It works like that: > Let's grant that you already have your one cool patent. It is a good > one, and ACME Inc. wants it. They will come to you and say: "Hey your > engine infringed 14 patents of our patent portfolio. Let's cross > license." You either say "Yes" and don't have your patent anymore, or > say "No" and go into a legal battle. Their lawyers will not go after > your company, they will go after you in person. After five years of > harrasement, down and out, you will regret your patent. They will say > "See, and we generously offered you cross-licensing..." (This story is > NOT fictuous, names have been changed/wiped) And, oh, you really > infringed only 2 not 7 from their 4000 portfolio. But who cares. Now > quiz question: who will own your cool patent in the end? Answer at the > bottom. > > It would be a great thing to reward the (wise) inventor, but it just > doesn't work. And in software it (doesn't work)! - factorial. > > Now go research the engine, or better write some software, as long as > you can without "infringing" someones "intelectual property". In > Poland for at least five years, because our patent office is now > processing applications five years old. Unfortunately if you develop > in Poland, and sell in US, you still "infringe". > > You may have read, MS is to be severely bitten ($500M) by a troll, > there is hope for much stronger patent opposition :-) > > Last but not least, software patent opposition - Brussels Next > Wednesday August 27th. > > Regards, > Wojtek > > Quiz answer: Your defendant lawyer. If you don't have money they often > graciously agree to accept some % of your patent as the reward for > their defense. About software: because copyright is generally all what's we need, I AGREE YOUR POSITION , software patents will be used only for speculations.(like patenting a realtime system in general) But what's hardware developers should do?Where 'em could get a money? (of course,what is hardware and what is software are a big question) It's really hard to make a law that 1:will be good for developers. 2:will not allow speculations. 3:(again)will be good for developers. Problems in soft and hard are nothing in comparation with same problems in music! Say,someone wrote a good big melody.And some (.bad qword.) got 6 notes from this melody,transponed it(or reversed in time),and make populat music,and got a money.