From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,52a0bacbcdd2da17 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-14 06:25:28 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:25:12 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3F3B8DB8.1060004@noplace.com> References: <3F367B39.8060108@noplace.com> <1060611604.45048@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3F38DEBC.8040208@noplace.com> <3F3A39E6.1070803@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.a5.18.a7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 Aug 2003 13:25:28 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41448 Date: 2003-08-14T13:25:28+00:00 List-Id: Georg B. wrote: > > Does that define a capitalist as someone who regularly takes > everything and gives nothing? > Where did I say that? A capitalist gives something of value to his customer in exchange for something else he values more. Its only tyrants that take something away and give nothing in return. > : If I'm > : going to work for free, perhaps there are more deserving recipients of > : my charity than RedHat? > > Possibly. Any ideas? > I've been saying elsewhere that an alternative form of license is possible that permits personal and business use without allowing for-sale use. Details TBD. Read the rest of this thread. > > Not this, but establishing exclusive groups and only by an analogy, > if the groups' rules are allegedly good for the members and bad for > anyone else. You write software that pays you and you collegues who > have helped writing the software. Software that pays off is "your thing". > How, by analogy, is that different from making writing software your > "cosa nostra", literally, and by an evil analogy? > > So the force implied is essential. You aren't payed > because people understand that you must pay rent etc, but because > they stay uninformed and must be forced to pay. > That may be a sad reality, but just adapting to this reality > won't change it either. > Where do you get this from? Every business must by this analogy be a "mobster" because it is pretty much by definition an "exclusive group" and that distributes its products for the benefit of its members and the detriment of other vendors. Where was I suggesting that we put guns to people's heads and insist that they use our products and not someone else's? That is a "mobster". Developing a superior product and out-competing other vendors and playing within the bounds of the law is a perfectly moral and decent thing to do. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================