From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,22c9fbc37d426c0c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-06 01:32:42 PST Message-ID: <3F30E7A7.22D7@mail.ru> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:33:59 +0100 From: Dmytry Lavrov X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F22 Raptor in slashdot.org References: <_dDXa.7776$mZ6.2605@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.248.15.148 X-Trace: shknews01 1060158724 213.248.15.148 (6 Aug 2003 16:32:04 +0800) Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!nntp.gblx.net!news2.ilink.net!shknews01 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41216 Date: 2003-08-06T12:33:59+01:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > On 5 Aug 2003 15:04:06 -0700, aek@vib.usr.pu.ru (Alexander > Kopilovitch) wrote: > > >Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote > > > >> The working class and its ruling party have dismissed > >> pseudo-scientific cybernetics! (:-)) > > > >Note, though, that at the same time they easily accepted the "theory of > >automatic control". So, it was the set of popular paradigms that matters > >for that dismission (and even prosecution), not the technical essence. > > Surely technical issues never matter for the "management" class. > Managers make *political* decisions. Arguments could be "it is very > important to our business" or "it is good for our class struggle", but > never technical. This is a taboo. > > --- > Regards, > Dmitry Kazakov > www.dmitry-kazakov.de IMO, "socialism" without democratic is very bad type of exploatation of working class by non-working class.. And these "USSRism" have nothing with socialism.Any time when someone want to implement cosialism,result is pre-capitalistic feodalism.(derived from modern materialism ;-))) Socialistic Revolution was caused mainly because there was a supply problems by phisical reasons at 1917,no bread in St.Peterburg. Farmers(real working class) wasn't wanted revolution.But farmers hadn't guns. Of course, if for example, imperator is more despotic,and revolution is stopped,it's does not helps against revolution in future. IMO,Only one thing may stop these revolution(when it's started):if ALL classes have guns to protect interests.But it's "rope to hang us" for imperator. Sorry for "out of subject flood"