From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f039470e8f537101 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-07-29 23:17:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Richard Riehle Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ariane5 FAQ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:19:54 -0700 Organization: AdaWorks Software Engineering Message-ID: <3F27638A.888BAEC4@adaworks.com> References: <1058968422.225561@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3F200AD0.94F79098@adaworks.com> <7u9Ua.13412$634.10307@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <3F215120.1040706@attbi.com> <1059151910.357790@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3F248CEE.5050709@attbi.com> <3F25FB81.A81694FA@adaworks.com> Reply-To: richard@adaworks.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.b2.48.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 30 Jul 2003 06:17:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:40986 Date: 2003-07-30T06:17:39+00:00 List-Id: Berend de Boer wrote: > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Riehle writes: > > Richard> systems than that found in Eiffel. I am thinking here of > Richard> SPARK. > > Richard> In general, the safety-critical community does not like > Richard> the Eiffel model because it relies on assertion-errors at > Richard> run-time. While this is just fine for > Richard> non-safety-critical software, it is not appropriate for a > Richard> system such as Ariane V, or any other similar system. > > Nothing (perhaps some annoying mathematical proofs :-) ) precludes > checking at compile time. I'm really hoping (probably have to write it > myself it seems if I want to have it ))-: ) for SPARK for Eiffel. That > would be a real step forward. It would be a difficult step to take. Eiffel includes some features that are incompatible with the level of checking done by SPARK. When checking Ada code, SPARK is more conservative than Ada itself. I suspect that SPARK would disallow some of the most interesting and useful features of Eiffel. Eiffel is, in its present form, an excellent language for a wide range of applications. I like it for anything not safety-critical. It is certainly better than C++ (sorry Hyman) in my opinion. However, niether C++ nor Eiffel quite meet the level one would require of safety-critical software -- unless one emasculates the most interesting aspects of each of those languages. Although SPARK permits only a subset of Ada, it leaves the essential features of Ada intact, even after its rigorous checking. This would not be true of C++ or Eiffel. Richard Riehle