From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2d69f4a8070dd707 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-06-07 11:59:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!64.152.100.70.MISMATCH!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Provisional Standards was RE: Ada.Networks.Sockets hierarchy (Provisional Standard?) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:39:42 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3EE1CEFE.6000704@noplace.com> References: <3EDC8FA6.2000308@noplace.com> <3EDFAC9F.5040802@cogeco.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b4.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 7 Jun 2003 11:39:46 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38789 Date: 2003-06-07T11:39:46+00:00 List-Id: I would be interested in working on a standard library for Ada (outside the ARM, but considered "Conventional" or "Provisional") However I have a couple of reasonable restrictions: 1) We would be totally wasting our time unless we could get some kind of acceptance from the folks who could put a label on it that says "Official" in some manner. There's some committee covering the Ada standard that should be contacted. There are a handful of vendors out there that have some level of interest in continuing to develop & promote their Ada compilers. They should be contacted. If they say "Yeah, we'll work with you on requirements, stamp as "Official" whatever you produce and see to it that it gets distributed with the compilers...." then you've got something worth working on. Anything else is going to be a failure. Trying to get approval and acceptance on something like this *after* it gets built won't happen. If it will, why hasn't it already happened with one or more of the existing libraries? 2) I am willing to do *some* level of work strictly out of the kindness of my heart and desire to see Ada benefit, but I don't think that level of effort is going to produce anything more than a few toys. If we want to build a *serious* and *credible* library for Ada, it isn't going to happen unless there is some money involved somewhere along the line. I think a scheme could be set up that would make the production of a conventional Ada library something that would pay off. I have some ideas about how that could work. What I believe is this: If there isn't some payment either up front or down the road, nobody is going to devote much time to it and all you'll get is some smallish body of mostly unsupported stuff. If it can be somehow turned into a product that produces some paychecks somewhere along the line, you can then continually grow it into something truly useful and spend time supporting it so that developers will feel comfortable using it. I've got some ideas how this could be made to work. Contact me if you'd like to talk more about it off line. MDC Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: I know there is some casual interest, but is there any real interest in starting a "formal project"? Or is there an existing one that people should be "pointed to"? -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================