From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-06-02 05:21:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 08:15:57 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3EDB3FFD.1040701@noplace.com> References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ED7C8C5.3070902@cogeco.ca> <3ED826BB.9010509@noplace.com> <3ED92827.7050808@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.bd.fd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 2 Jun 2003 12:16:02 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38335 Date: 2003-06-02T12:16:02+00:00 List-Id: Yup. That's why I think the vendors could establish what the best direction is. They have some clue as to what their customers would want. (Generic focus? Object oriented focus? General applications? Realtime applications?) If they said "Go make a general application library that is object oriented and looked kind of like the MFC, but with an Ada flavor..." a design team could go work with that and get somewhere. If the vendors based that on some kind of discussions with their customers, then it would probably be something that would satisfy a large percentage of the Ada users out there. The key here is to get *something* built that would be accepted by the vendors as the library of convention for Ada. It has to ship with their products - possibly with a disclaimer: "This is version X.Y of the Conventional Ada Library. It is unsupported by us. Go see the Ada Library Consortium's web page for the latest versions, bug reporting, etc." Most people would use what they got out of the box and accept it as being "Ada" That might start Ada down the path of at least catching up to Java and C++. Ultimately, it needs to do more, but it has to at least take that first step. MDC Wesley Groleau wrote: > > I learned a similar lesson from watching a relative "sell" > real estate. She'd take the customer to a promising site, > but then she'd overwhelm them with all the options. > > "You may need _____, which would imply a place with _____. > But if you have ______, you'd of course want to minimize _____. > (etc.) ...." > > When she got done with her college-level lecture on > how to figure out what you need, they'd go buy from > who _tells_ them, "This is what you need. Sign here." > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================