From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 20:51:26 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:51:23 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3ED826BB.9010509@noplace.com> References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ED7C8C5.3070902@cogeco.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b6.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 31 May 2003 03:51:26 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38171 Date: 2003-05-31T03:51:26+00:00 List-Id: Well, I won't say it *can't* work - just that it has been tried in a few different ways and guess what? We don't have a Conventional Ada Library. If the thing has zero interest from the vendors it will become Just Another Ada Library like the half-dozen or so that are already out there. A small teem of developers might be able to do a good job of building a library - even if they were volunteers - but it would need some direction from those who have to adopt it as "The Right Thing". Think "Requirements" - someone has to impose some. Don't believe me? Lets toss this turd into the pool: Should a Standard Ada Container Library be based on generics or based on tagged types? Let's start that debate here and see how far it goes! (Less filling! Tastes great!!!) A group of enthusiasts sounds plausable, but I believe that unless it has some cloak of "officialness" to it, some acceptance on the part of the vendors and some sort of charter/requirements to work to, it will either fall apart or produce Just Another Ada Library. MDC Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: > > > Here is some of my thinking out loud (not necessarily sensible ;-) > > Get 1 person to organize, and perhaps the same person to "moderate" > any initial discussions : > > - Create a special "mailing list/newsgroup" (a mailing list can > be made available on gmane.org's newsgroup server, for those > that prefer a nntp interface). Yahoo groups are pesky, but free. > > I believe this is essential, because comp.lang.ada is like > inviting everyone to a meeting, and never getting consencous. > > - Solicit volunteers. > - Get some agreement on scope > - Subdivide scope and > - determine package hierarchies > - determine naming conventions to be used > - subdivide volunteers to portions of the heirarchy > - the smaller divisions the better, or perhaps > in reasonable scopable swaths > - solicit volunteers (repeat as necessary ;-) > > - do some code/design work > - meet > - iterate until well "baked" > > As a volunteer effort, there is a number of sources that we can look > at and learn from. > > I will contribute my time, to clearly defined portions of this project, > but only to something considerably smaller than Florist ;-) But I would > prefer not to steer it, because I have other pet projects on the run. ;-) > > Ideally (maybe), the person steering this should be more familiar with > what's up with Ada0Y, the industry etc. But hey, I think zeal is the > most important attribute here. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================