From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 20:37:57 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:37:51 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3ED8238F.1070901@noplace.com> References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ed75cc3$1@news.wineasy.se> <3ED7779E.930ABCEA@adaworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b6.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 31 May 2003 03:37:57 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38170 Date: 2003-05-31T03:37:57+00:00 List-Id: I would suggest that we not lobby for new annexes. The instant we say that the only way for Ada to have a "standard" library is to include it in the annexes, you'll have two insurmountable problems that will kill the whole thing: 1) The language standard is only going to get updated every ten years or so and 2) writing a specification of sufficient detail to make it acceptable for standards validation for a library of any appreciable size is going to asymptotically approach "impossible". If we want a library - one that is bigger than near trivial and covering more than just containers - it had better exist outside of the standard in some manner. If the vendors were interested in getting one, they ought to talk about forming up a consortium or an R&D company or working with SIGAda or some academic body or nearly *anything* except the total inaction we see, to get a group together to build a library that would be accepted as part of Ada, but external to the standard. Its not impossible to figure out a way to get it done, but my lone voice crying out in the wilderness isn't what will cause it to happen. If ACT, Aonix and whoever else is still interested in selling Ada want it to happen and start voicing that desire, chances are they'd find a way to do it. I just don't see them chomping at the bit trying to find a way to get a group together to build a library for Ada. MDC Wesley Groleau wrote: > > "New" annexes might include bindings and/or all-Ada packages > that implement existing standards, or alternate ways to > provide functionality available in other languages, or something > entirely new. -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -- Voltaire ======================================================================