From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-22 04:43:16 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:43:12 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3ECCB7D0.4020400@noplace.com> References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305091549.48b9c5d9@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130643.526f61c2@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305140436.534f7151@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305160440.7846d18c@posting.google.com> <3ecca391$1@news.wineasy.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.be.ec Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 22 May 2003 11:43:16 GMT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:37636 Date: 2003-05-22T11:43:16+00:00 List-Id: Well, as a matter of logic, one can't prove a negative assumption. I can't *prove* that any given operating system *won't* crash. The best one can do is demonstrate that an operating system *does* crash. That said, I could point to VMS and observe that with later versions of it, I drove it around quite extensively and had ill-behaved programs that crashed, but they never killed the OS. Nor was it ever necessary to reboot it periodically to clear problems. It may have been possible to kill it, but if it could stay up and running for months on end and not crash under a large variety of uses, this ought to be good enough for a large variety of users. Safety critical applications might require a much more rigorous standard, but I'd be satisfied with a stability standard for PC/Workstation OS's that demonstrated that you really had to work hard to make the OS crash and that it could be up and running indefinitely without observable problems. MDC > > > I know of no operating system which does not crash because of > application behaviour. Some does so more seldom than others, but they > still do. > > > greetings, > > >