From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-15 11:18:23 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3EC3D9DD.5010906@attbi.com> From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305010621.55e99deb@posting.google.com> <0-WcnWfafqsNpiyjXTWcqw@gbronline.com> <1051804573.732603@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3EBE9BD4.1050008@attbi.com> <20619edc.0305120923.1ccfa3be@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.164.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1053022702 24.62.164.137 (Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:22 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:22 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63860 comp.object:63482 comp.lang.ada:37362 Date: 2003-05-15T18:18:22+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > I agree and would add this personal observation: In one job incarnation I > programmed in Ada for 10 years and NOT ONCE did I ever have to turn on the > debugger.(O.K. Maybe an occasional Put_Line statement, but NO DEBUGGER!) I > left to join another company that had its main product in MSVC++. The > debugger instantly became a WAY OF LIFE. > > Granted, this is anecdotal and may have a lot to do with issues of style, > etc., but I doubt I am the only one with such a story. I also wouldn't > suggest that Ada compilers should not provide debuggers or that they are > never necessary. I would only claim that I have seen far less need for > debuggers with Ada than with C or C++ I certainly agree. I was thinking that I could probably count the number of times I have used a debugger with Ada on the fingers of one hand, and that included development work on several Ada compilers during the past 20+ years. Sticking in Put_Lines, at least in my case probably doesn't count. Because I do a lot of simulation and random number generation work, the Put_Line statements are often part of the original code for validation purposes, then turned off via pragma Debug for normal use.