From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,899fc98b2883af4a X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-14 07:37:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail From: Robert Spooner Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:30:17 -0400 Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <3EC252F9.8070502@psu.edu> References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305011727.5eae0222@posting.google.com> <17cd177c.0305072114.24f04783@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305090612.261d5a5c@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305091549.48b9c5d9@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130543.60381450@posting.google.com> <5mmwa.65$dp4.60@read3.inet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: nat4.arl.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1052922617 43780 128.118.40.103 (14 May 2003 14:30:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:30:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Anders Wirzenius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,de,fr-FR Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63769 comp.object:63373 comp.lang.ada:37322 misc.misc:14157 comp.software-eng:19177 Date: 2003-05-14T10:30:17-04:00 List-Id: Anders Wirzenius wrote: > > The Juno part was a good story of the opposite approach. Some people claim that the army gives a good education to leadership. To me > the army is more of the Juno type while most companies nowadays belong to the Microsoft type where you have to convince and motivate > people if you want to have an impact on their work (read: get them to do what you are in charge of). You cannot just rely on your > position in the organizational hierarchy. > I think history shows that our armed forces are a combination. The "Juno" approach may be used to train and instill discipline, but once that is done, it can be seen that one of the profound influences on the outcome of battles has been the individual initiative that has been encouraged and flourishes during operations. In addition, it is a tribute to the military system that many of the leaders of W.W.II and the following cold war went through the service academies during the height of anti-military fervor during the 1930's. Bob -- Robert L. Spooner Registered Professional Engineer Associate Research Engineer Intelligent Control Systems Department Applied Research Laboratory Phone: (814) 863-4120 The Pennsylvania State University FAX: (814) 863-7841 P. O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804-0030 rls19@psu.edu