From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,FREEMAIL_FROM, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-19 10:25:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Alfred Hilscher Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:22:01 +0100 Organization: T-Online Message-ID: <3E2AECC9.6ECD43F9@t-online.de> References: <3E171612.E4E2972@t-online.de> <3E296128.4183B70A@t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1043000682 04 15338 dJaYEqKbS6Axyi 030119 18:24:42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 320001779794-0001@t-dialin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33215 Date: 2003-01-19T19:22:01+01:00 List-Id: "John R. Strohm" schrieb: > > Have you ever been exposed to basic engineering economics? > > In the United States, with all overhead considered, a good engineer costs > his employer on the rough order of $250,000 per year. I would be very > surprised if the price was that much different in Germany. When you are > talking about spending that kind of money on software engineers, trying to > pinch pennies on their tools is idiocy. What you want is tools that will > improve their productivity, that will let them get more work done per year. Company has successful products, all done with C. Company has complete tool-chain - in C. Company has well educated developers - all specialists for C. So now I come and say: > Recall that Pratt & Whitney documented 2x productivity improvement using > Ada. Lets throw all away, we could gain twice the productivity with Ada (the costs are about 50x). What do you think is the answer? > > AND FURTHERMORE. > > When you are talking specifically about brake controls for cars, you have to > recognize a few things. First, you are talking about a safety-critical > system. Yes, but - don't they work today? > Anything less than the absolute best NO-FAIL quality is > unacceptable, When did you buy your last car? Did you ask the salesman: "Is the brake programmed in Ada?" I'm sure, you didn't. > because people will get killed AND THEIR SURVIVING RELATIVES > WILL SUE YOUR COMPANY OUT OF EXISTENCE. First they have to proof that it was a software fault. Here in Germany, cars have no black box and no voice recorder. So it would be a little bit hard. > In other words, trying to save a few pennies on software development > toolsets is sheer idiocy. No, it's not called "idiotic", it's called "shareholder value".