From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,dbd35bb508093bd9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-18 10:11:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!server3.netnews.ja.net!south.jnrs.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!newshost.central.susx.ac.uk!news.bton.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: John English Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:13:50 +0000 Organization: University of Brighton Message-ID: <3E00ACCE.9BF7AAC0@brighton.ac.uk> References: <3DEA5CC0.6B435E66@adaworks.com> <3df55f03_2@news.tm.net.my> <1039531607.289271@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3DF7362A.87F9FDA6@brighton.ac.uk> <1039618334.652640@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <2ttK9.2461$X56.125646@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net > <3DFF20BD.A58113F5@brighton.ac.uk> <1040142718.867309@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: straumli.it.bton.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: saturn.bton.ac.uk 1040231605 26271 193.62.183.204 (18 Dec 2002 17:13:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@bton.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2002 17:13:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32037 Date: 2002-12-18T17:13:25+00:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote: > > John English wrote: > > > execution without trial of some people in a jeep in Yemen > > Certainly. That's pretty much the definition of war. Sorry, remind me which country the US has declared war against? > > and hundreds more are locked up in Cuba with neither trial, > > access to a lawyer or even the protection of the Geneva Convention. > > Sure. More war stuff. I believe they're occasionally visited by > the Red Cross, and are able to mail letters out. I thought "war stuff" meant "Geneva Convention" stuff... > > It seems to believe that it can imprison foreign nationals without trial > > We can. We have. The Nazis believed it could gas Jews -- and did so. It doesn't make it right, as they found out at Nuremburg. > > tear up international treaties > > If we can enter into them, I don't see why we can't exit them. You have some very strange ideas. Signing a treaty is like signing a contract -- you are entering into a binding obligation. If treaties weren't binding, there would be no poinr in negotiating them. However, it would be nicer if I lived on your planet -- I could just abrogate my credit card contract ("I entered it, so I can exit it") and refuse to pay. > > and impose "regime change" on foreign states > > (even if democratically elected, as in Chile) > > I assume we did it in Chile to fight Communism. > That's not an unreasonable thing to do, since that > was the great evil of its day. You may well disagree with it as a political system, but if the citizens of another country vote for a different political system from your own, that's surely up to them. To believe that the US has an absolute right to veto the result of elections held in foreign countries smacks of dictatorship rather than democracy... but I'm beginning to realise that you feel OK about that, as long as you're on the side of the dictators rather than being one of the dictatees; and that's exactly the sort of double standard I was talking about earlier. ----------------------------------------------------------------- John English | mailto:je@brighton.ac.uk Senior Lecturer | http://www.it.bton.ac.uk/staff/je Dept. of Computing | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS ** University of Brighton | -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk -----------------------------------------------------------------