From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,a1ce307c10055549 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-11 11:21:14 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3DF7901C.3000006@acm.org> From: Jeffrey Carter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: IBM Acquires Rational Ada References: <3DF1615C.7AAAC86E@adaworks.com> <3DF1B042.6603DDDE@easystreet.com> <3DF2A483.EC512CDF@adaworks.com> <8db3d6c8.0212091445.12594821@posting.google.com> <3DF628C4.7090607@cogeco.ca> <3DF6653D.3030603@cogeco.ca> <8db3d6c8.0212101850.51506572@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:20:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.104.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1039634407 63.184.104.126 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:07 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:31704 Date: 2002-12-11T19:20:07+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > > While I'm all in favor of Ada catching errors up front and I accept that > this means programmers need a mental shift from C to avoid frustration, I > think that this "Ada Mentality" is in some way blinding the community to > what the ultimate customer wants and needs. We keep thinking "Take your time > and get it right. It'll pay in the long run". This may be true and the > customer will be glad he's got that one day, but what would be far more > compelling in making the sale is "This will get you to market faster!" If > the Ada community started focusing in on developmental leverage that got > someone to market quicker, that would be a quality they wouldn't (and > couldn't!) ignore. But where we have real data (Rational's metrics on Ada compiler development in C and Ada), Ada was faster to completion as well as having fewer errors which were easier to correct. -- Jeff Carter "Beyond 100,000 lines of code you should probably be coding in Ada." P. J. Plauger