From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f51e93dacd9c7fca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-20 17:43:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!p02!news2.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3D127686.5030400@telepath.com> From: Ted Dennison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of Ada STL? References: <3D0D18D5.2020601@telepath.com> <4519e058.0206170611.260a3951@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0206180630.b6ef8cd@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:43:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.12.51.201 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news2.east.cox.net 1024620227 68.12.51.201 (Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:43:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:43:47 EDT Organization: Cox Communications Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26531 Date: 2002-06-21T00:43:47+00:00 List-Id: Russ wrote: > Oh, so Ada needs "moneybags" like Sun or Microsoft behind it, eh? No, I never said that, and I don't believe it does. It doesn't really matter either way though, because it doesn't have one and isn't likely to get one in the near future. We have to find a way to make do with less financial resources to purchase glowing media coverage. > Let's see, the DoD annual budget has been around $200,000,000,000 to > $300,000,000,000 for the past couple of decades, and it MANDATED Ada > for much of that time. :-) You could make this number even larger by using the US tax rolls for those years. After all, the DoD is part of the US government. Actually, you could even trump that by using the US GDP, on the basis that the government is owned by the people. If you want to be realistic about it though, you'd have to compare the money spend on marketing Ada by the AJPO to comparable amounts spent by Sun's marketing department on Java. It would be much more interesting to see that comparison. A lot of the stuff they did do (like the mandate) was at least partially counterproductive. The mandate served its purpose for the DoD quite well, but it didn't help Ada out all that much. The point of the mandate was not to promote Ada, it was to lessen the tremendous amount of different languages that were being used on DoD jobs. With the mandate in place, it made it a bit tougher to use one of the little niche languages, like CMS-2. However, the effect on Ada was roughly the same as the effect on the popularity of classics like Shakespeare among high school students when they are forced to read it for a class.