From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,28cd155693714664 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-19 09:40:10 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws12.dearborn.ford.com!not-for-mail From: John Kern Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Faulty languages and Liability Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:47:44 -0400 Organization: Visteon Coropration Message-ID: <3D10A7A0.376A5F45@NOSPAM.visteon.com> References: <3D0DE5E2.5010904@mail.com> <3D0F91D3.87CDBDF7@NOSPAM.visteon.com> <9l1yXnVJaOCo@eisner.encompasserve.org> Reply-To: jkern3@NOSPAM.visteon.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.51.198.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-c32f404p (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en, en-GB, de, fr, ja, ko, zh Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26396 Date: 2002-06-19T11:47:44-04:00 List-Id: Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In a real court case, issues of compiler validation would likely not > have any bearing unless it can be shown the compiler in question made > an error that would have been caught by a validated compiler. I once heard from one of my professors that they preferred to take testimony from only engineers certified Professional Engineers. If I were on a jury and someone told me that they used a "Validated" compiler, I think I would think more highly of it than otherwise, even if I didn't know what it meant. Wouldn't your argument also hold that if a language in question allowed an error that would have been caught by another language? If a field of endeavor establishes an industry "best practice" say for eliminating errors in embedded software, (say MISRA C coding standards), I think a supplier is at risk for deviating. If we could only prove that Ada programs are intrinsically safer than C programs.