From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,f51e93dacd9c7fca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-15 19:44:51 PST Message-ID: <3D0BFB05.4F641AE6@sympatico.ca> From: David Marceau X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17-10mdksmp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of Ada STL? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:42:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.92.166.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1024195437 65.92.166.10 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:43:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:43:57 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26060 Date: 2002-06-15T22:42:13-04:00 List-Id: > I am an aerospace engineer at a government research center with a > major program on air traffic management. The controller support > systems developed here have traditionally been written in C, with a > gradual migration toward C++. I am trying to push Ada, but I am > encountering all kinds of resistance. Real numbers is what your boss wants. Here's recent numbers :) Page 24 of http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2002/mar/mar02ind.asp "Correctness by construction" This gives compelling evidence shows that focus on bug prevention rather than bug detection raises quality and saves time and money. This approach was done using Spark(an ada subset) and full ada. -try looking at March 2002 "COTS journal" http://www.rtcgroup.com/cotsjournal/2002/03/cots03-cotsview.pdf This gives a list of factors making ada increasingly popular. > encountering all kinds of resistance. IMHO Concerning pushing ada in a C/C++(or java) shop, be very careful how you present your arguments for using Ada. Make sure you catch him when he's feeling good and doesn't seem preoccupied. BTW it is practically a one-shot deal because if you approach him too many times on wanting to change his direction, he might think you're being insubordinate, you're not a team player, you're not focusing on producing your c++ code and ..... Let's stay positive :) I hope this helps. Sant� bonheur, David Marceau