From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,d89b08801f2aacae X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-05-01 07:28:49 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3CCFFB7F.B8080F7A@despammed.com> From: Wes Groleau Reply-To: wesgroleau@despammed.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX,es,pt,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is strong typing worth the cost? References: <4519e058.0204290722.2189008@posting.google.com> <3CCE8523.6F2E721C@earthlink.net> <3CCEB246.9090009@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:28:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.168.144.162 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 1020263328 151.168.144.162 (Wed, 01 May 2002 09:28:48 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:28:48 CDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:23339 Date: 2002-05-01T09:28:15-05:00 List-Id: > this... This is no proof, we don't have resources to play the game of writing > a software in two different languages and compare the results... But other people have done so. We have the Ada vs. C report from Rational, the Ada vs. C report from Plattsburgh (McCormick), I read, but can't remember where, an Ada vs. Fortran report, and there have been others. Not enough to consider "proof" perhaps, but evidence. And Watts Humphrey's PSP (http://www.sei.cmu.edu/publications/articles/practice-preach/practice-preach.html) offers methods that can identify programs/modules that are "similar" in difficulty, so you can compare them even if they are not the "same" program. I'm curious--has anyone _ever_ seen, on the web or in print, an article on a successful project where a manager or engineer has said, "We would never have made it if we had tried to use something other than C." There have been plenty of such remarks about Ada. I think there have been some about Eiffel. There probably have been some about Java, maybe not. Has anyone seen a discussion of a project with problems where the people actually involved blamed Ada? (Ariane 5 does not count--the only people that blame Ada there are Ada-phobes from outside the project.) -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau