From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-18 13:07:59 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!boavista!nobody From: Michael Erdmann Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:09:25 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Message-ID: <3CBF27F5.5030300@snafu.de> References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB77A6B.5090504@snafu.de> <184076622a7c648f157c56e417bd86d4.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de> <3CBC56F0.9050300@snafu.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc06-n66-022.de.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22748 Date: 2002-04-18T22:09:25+02:00 List-Id: Bill Tate wrote: > Michael Erdmann wrote in message > >>>If we had some community concensus that one or more libraries was what we >>> > [snip] > >>>wanted for doing job X, all you'd have to do is persuade the vendors to >>>distribute it with their compilers and it instantly becomes part of Ada even >>>if it isn't part of the "standard". >>> >>I dont think that we need the vendors this mutch, most of the popular >>open source software is distributed without them (thanks to sites >>as sourceforge etc..), >> >>In my mind the idea of a public ada process is showing up: >> >>- There is a job to be done and i have some solution for it. Propose >> the solution to the community (who is this, i gues comp.lang.ada?) >> >>- If sufficient interest has been raised, form a working group >> for this topic and provide an implemenation for public use. >> >>- Proceed until wide acceptance >> >>- Propose to ISO >> >> > Michael, > I would like to echo some of your points from an outsider's > perspective. As someone who spends most of his time on > comp.lang.python, Python suffers from some of the same "kinds" of > perceptions (erroneous or otherwise) as Ada does, e.g., degree of > acceptance, availability of developers, etc. However, Python does > have considerable "traction" and "energy" in terms of its direction > and the process for moving new features into its standard "core." > While ISO adoption isn't part of the python agenda, the Python > Evaluation Process (PEP) seems to fill the bill that your comments > suggest. A specific PEP garners no shortage of posts from the > devoted. Wide-spread use including version updates most often lead to > incorporation into the standard distribution. Its the latter that > seems to be the threshold that needs to be achieved for widespread > community acceptance. WRT Ada and the ISO process, this would seem to > be, at least, one logical jumping off point since many of the > "important" battles would likely have already been fought and > resolved. Information on the PEP process is available from > www.python.org. Hopefully you wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel > (too much) in order to adopt a process that would work for your > community instead of the other way around - like the python language > itself, this is something that borders on religious dogma in the > python community. Hopefully this is of some use. > cheers, > Bill Thanks i like to documentation of the PEP process. Maybe we can reused some of it! Michael >