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From: Michael Erdmann <Michael.Erdmann@snafu.de>
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Subject: Re: Development process in the Ada community
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:29:34 +0200
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Michael Erdmann wrote:
> Hallo all,
> 
> i am wondering how standards are eveloving in the Ada community.
> In the Java Community there is a process called Java Community
> Process (JCP, http://www.jcp.org/)
> 
> Is there something comparabel in the Ada communitiy? I gues
> if there would be something like this there would be more
> dynamic in the Ada 95 community.
> 

What i got out of this discussion
=================================

Below you find the major topics of this thread with some
subjective statements:

- There is no well establsihed process in the Ada community
   which leads to standarized components.

   There is ISO, but it is a relativly slow an quiet process
   without a large backup from comp.lang.ada communitiy.

- There is a common understanding that standarization would
   be a nice thing, but there are a lot of examples that
   standarization creates nothing usefull.

   But what is the problem with it, if you are never fixing
   you positionthen you will be able to choose next time
   a better direction. So if you find a standard not suitable
   any more, make a new one! This means no dmonating monolits,
   diversification is an issue.

- The questions was raised if there is a community
   problem which originates from the old DoD days.

   May be this is true for old established organisations
   but i dont believe this is the problem of the open
   source communitiy in comp.lang.ada, or at least i cant
   find any evidence for such an assumption.

- What needs to be standarized?

   This was interesting, only a view reactions related to
   what is missing. I thinks this point contains the
   key to the unserstanding of the relativly static
   Ada community. Maybe there is not so mutch to do?

   Personally i am interested not so mutch in the lagnuage
   but in extending the predefined lanaguage environment.


What will i am going to make out of this:
=========================================

Since i still believe there are some things missing
in the predefined language environment i dont like
to drop the issue without having made an attempt to
test where the actual problems are.

I believe that i have to go through the following
natural process

- Having a problem
- Raising interest for my solution within comp.lang.ada.
- Following the old bazar guidleling, release early and
   often
- Include new ideas of the interested people
- Include the ARG WG 9 informative in the process.
- Loop thrught the last three steps until it is
   stable.
- Propose the solution to the ARG WG for inclusion
   in the Ada RM predefined language environment.

I this process works once, maybe the experiences gained
there might lead to an established procedure in the
communitiy, or simply does not work!

So stay tuned, i will setup today a page in my private
webspace:

http://www.snafu.de/~boavista/napc.html

Everybody is invited to participate the program to
make the Ada 95 community a little bit more
dynmaic.


Regards
    M.Erdmann