From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-14 04:38:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!unlisys!news.snafu.de!boavista!nobody From: Michael Erdmann Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:41:37 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Message-ID: <3CB96AF1.1050307@snafu.de> References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB77A6B.5090504@snafu.de> <184076622a7c648f157c56e417bd86d4.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc09-n66-198.de.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22510 Date: 2002-04-14T13:41:37+02:00 List-Id: Ingo Marks wrote: > Michael Erdmann wrote: > > >>Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >> >>>No, I sign my name "LCDR, Retired" when I care to bother; I don't have >>>any particular bone to pick with the military. DoD has abandoned Ada, >>>that is the problem. The head has been cut off, the body continues to >>>twitch. Ada needs a new mandate, some sense of direction so it doesn't >>>just continue to march in place, and I don't see it happening. >>> >>This is exaclty the impression i have my self. So i was wondering >>if Ada could take a new direction, when the open source communitiy is >>more directly involved by establishing a public process in order >>to enhance the predefined libraries, and may be later, to make an >>attempt to get these things into ISO etc.. >> > > Who "owns" Ada? The DoD has decided to quit Ada so they don't seem to have > any more interest. > > A new standardization project needs a central place to start. CAD is a good > starting point to discuss but the many messages are scattered all over the > group and it becomes difficult for me to collect the essence of all ideas. > You complained that the focus of this thread is already out of control. > > I would like to suggest to create a new website where you list all your > intentions and considerations. People will read them and make comments > there and/or here. People will make source code contributions and the whole > thing will grow step by step. May be www.adapower.com is a good place to start? > > Do you want open source library standards for the current Ada 95 standard > or do you want to have the language "polished up", too? Just the libraries. I would not dare to touch the language. > > Ada is impressive but my first impressions were that some (few) things are > unnecessarily complicated which have a deterring effect to newbies. For > example string handling. The distinction between fixed and unbounded > strings confused me at first (and my compiler produced at lot of error > messages ;-) Somewhere I read that the Ada 95 standard would support string > handling with garbage collections already (but no compiler has implemented > this yet). It would be fine if this could be done in an open source > standardization project. > Are there any examples for "..open source standardization projects..."? > Ingo > >