From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-11 11:23:34 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!boavista!nobody From: Michael Erdmann Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Development process in the Ada community Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:26:24 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Message-ID: <3CB5D550.4000201@snafu.de> References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB516E1.9030008@snafu.de> <3CB583D6.9000104@worldnet.att.net> <4519e058.0204111009.609078dc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc09-n66-245.de.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us To: Ted Dennison Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22379 Date: 2002-04-11T20:26:24+02:00 List-Id: Ted Dennison wrote: > Jim Rogers wrote in message news:<3CB583D6.9000104@worldnet.att.net>... > >>principles of the Java language. Java has always advertised the >>concept of "write once, run anywhere". One consequence of this >>goal is that Java could not support OS specific behavior, since >>that behavior could not be implemented anywhere. The java.nio >>package abandons that goal and implements I/O features not found >>on all OS platforms. It also provides an I/O model which is >>incompatible with the I/O defined in the java.io package. >> >>This is an example of rapid change without regard to its effect on >>the overall language principles. I do not want to see such rapid >>development results applied to Ada. >> > > Java's Swing is another good example of this. AWT was found inadaquate > as a GUI toolkit, so they just kept it and started over from scratch > with Swing. But lots of old code uses AWT, so it can't go away. > Instead you now have the new standard GUI and the old stardard GUI, > left in as a trap for the unwary. > > But is there any move in the Ada communitiy to standarize something in the GUI domain? Assume somebody would dare to try it, how could she/he achieve this? I never said that i like the stuff java is made of, but at least they are trying and consequently they are also failing! This is something i am missing in the Ada 95 comminuty. If you look at comp.lang.ada, you can break up the post in three categories: - Help Queries, how to do put_line , - My language is bettern then yours - Release note to the community But there only a small number of attempts made to establish some common understanding of a cetrain interface (which is a defacto standard) and afterwards setting up a project implementing it. You find the same behavior in the comp.lang.java groups,but at least they have something like the JCP, and not to forget SUN, to evelove (defacto) standards. From my perspective this is all missing in the Ada community. Regards M.Erdmann