From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-22 15:23:49 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!nyccyc01!news-out.nyc.rr.com!typhoon.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C4DF550.24D3333A@nyc.rr.com> From: Kenny Tilton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> <3C3F8689.377A9F0F@brising.com> <3219936759616091@naggum.net> <3C483CE7.D61D1BF@removeme.gst.com> <7302e4fa4a.simonwillcocks@RiscPC.enterprise.net> <3C4D9B03.60803@mail.com> <3C4DE2F3.9020904@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:22:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.26.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyc.rr.com 1011741748 66.108.26.20 (Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:28 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:25014 comp.lang.ada:19205 comp.lang.eiffel:5503 comp.lang.smalltalk:18485 Date: 2002-01-22T23:22:28+00:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote: > > Bruce Hoult wrote: > > > Garbage collection has a *lot* to do with this problem! > > > > A large proportion of assignments in languages such as C++ are done > > merely in order to resolve the question of who owns an object and who is > > responsible for eventually deleting it. > > > > With GC available, objects are seldom copied with pointers to them being > > passed around instead. You don't care who "owns" the object, because it > > just magically goes away when all the pointers to it get forgotten. > > You don't get to redefine the problem so that your favorite technique > becomes the solution. GC does not redefine the problem, it eliminates it. Which was the point. kenny clinisys