From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-12 12:16:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!nyccyc01!news-out.nyc.rr.com!typhoon.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C409A34.7DE61ACB@nyc.rr.com> From: Kenny Tilton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> <3C3FB4CA.14998012@nyc.rr.com> <3C40912D.6050909@staffware-spokane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:14:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.26.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyc.rr.com 1010866493 66.108.26.20 (Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:14:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:14:53 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24130 comp.lang.ada:18834 comp.lang.eiffel:5377 comp.lang.smalltalk:17839 Date: 2002-01-12T20:14:53+00:00 List-Id: Doug Hockin wrote: > > > Obviously the winner is any compiled (fast), GCed, GFing, MI dynamic > > language with macros. Mature, an ANSII standard and a free > > implementation would not hurt either. hang on... > > Like Dylan? Is Dylan mature, stable, ANSII standard? Anyway, not enough parentheses. And I like unhygienic macros. Dylan to me adds no value over Lisp, so why bother? All that said, yup, Dylan is something I would consider if Lisp did not exist. Oh, damnit, I forgot. How about a MOP. Does Dylan expose the MOP so I can metaclass? Anyway, the big quetsion is: what is the added value over Lisp to make me give up Lisp. One more thing: I love editing with parentheses-aware editors. Infix won't cut it. kenny clinisys