From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-11 19:57:20 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!nyccyc01!news-out.nyc.rr.com!typhoon.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C3FB4CA.14998012@nyc.rr.com> From: Kenny Tilton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:56:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.108.26.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyc.rr.com 1010807764 66.108.26.20 (Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:56:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:56:04 EST Organization: Road Runner - NYC Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24091 comp.lang.ada:18811 comp.lang.eiffel:5366 comp.lang.smalltalk:17798 Date: 2002-01-12T03:56:04+00:00 List-Id: > Lisp, Ada , Eiffel and Smalltalk are all excellent languages, far > superior to the Gang of Three ( Java, C++ , C ). > > Yet, if Kent is right, they may have all been " rejected ... for > substantial reasons and not just superficial ones." For a second I thought by "they" you meant Java, C++ and C. They have indeed all been rejected, if you think about it. Anybody want to do without GC and OO (besides Graham)? Goodbye C. Anybody want to do without GC and worry about pointers and use templates to get past static typing and wait minutes for a single edit-compile-link-run iteration? Goodbye C++, witness the rejoicing over Java, Perl, Python, Ruby... Anybody happy with Java? Why are people adding JIT compilation, GFs, MI (AspectJ) and macros? Obviously the winner is any compiled (fast), GCed, GFing, MI dynamic language with macros. Mature, an ANSII standard and a free implementation would not hurt either. hang on... Kenny CliniSys