From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-19 13:14:16 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C210174.3010007@earthlink.net> From: "Ian S. Nelson" Reply-To: nelsonis@earthlink.net.NOSPAM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011012 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada References: <9vnrj9$8me$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <20011219113724.09dc6ffa.nospam@attbi.com> <9vqkf8$cu1$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:07:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.1.228.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1008796023 66.1.228.145 (Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:07:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:07:03 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:07:02 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18123 Date: 2001-12-19T21:07:03+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > do it for a lot of other reasons too, but most companies have a hard time > hiring programmers with a promise of personal fulfillment in leu of a > paycheck. I don't see why that seems to be such a controversial statement? > > MDC The only thing I would qualify is that the involvment of companies isn't always needed. In some cases it's not even a good thing. Presumably we're all on the same page and want to advocate the use of ada. I've watched this thread and I've seen it start with a discussion of building a new office suite which deteriorated in to why XML should be used for the file formats and how it will fail without MS Office interop. And I've watched it go from a suggestion of some free software effort in to a discussion on the merits of professional programming. My suggestion to write free stuff was more of a gauntlet drop than anything else. We can talk forever about what kinds of projects might demonstrate the strengths of ada and it will remain an academic discussion. Walking the walk as well as talking the talk can be compelling. As with Linux and GNU, it didn't take a lot of software, relatively speaking, to snowball into a huge effort and I happen to be someone who makes his money from that stuff. In no way do I want any programmers to go with out food or money. What I do want is that if you program in ada and you've got some interesting code you wouldn't mind sharing or there is a pet project you would like to do then take the code and put it on sourceforge.net and let's show the world some programs done in ada. If 5000 programmers got interested then the thing to do would be to start an organized project to build a complete system out of ada, it should be easier to do and more correct than the GNU project. Trust me on this, if that happened, companies would get interested. Ian