From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-26 15:35:17 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C02D13B.63DBBF16@west.raytheon.com> From: Jerry Petrey <"jdpetrey"@west.raytheon.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD CSC;Raytheon (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada References: <3wdH7.20135$xS6.32614@www.newsranger.com> <9tqete0gqc@drn.newsguy.com> <9ttmmk$dg9$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9tuaf5$mg7$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:33:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.24.83.38 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 1006817716 147.24.83.38 (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:35:16 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:35:16 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:17012 Date: 2001-11-26T16:33:15-07:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > > O.K. I'm willing to stand corrected. Perhaps there are some companies with > some jobs for which there is an existing clearance requirement. In all the > times I have dealt with defense contractors and in the experience of many of > the people I know in that business, its usually required that you be > *clearable* rather than already cleared. (Although it can get tough to > interview for a job on a project that doesn't exist and you don't have SAR > clearance for it - they can't ask you too many specific questions and they > can't give you *any* answers! {been there, done that} :-) > > If Raytheon requires you already be cleared, I'd wonder if it was for some > specific job or is that a general policy? It would give them a bit of > chicken-and-egg problem if they insisted on it across the board, eh? That's > generally why I'd be skeptical of any claim that defense contractors working > with Ada would want an existing clearance in most cases. How do you hire > fresh-outs? Are the only people you can ever hire the ones that work for > your competitors who *did* bite the bullet and get their people clearances? > What happens if all the players follow that policy & the folks with existing > clearances retire? > > I do know that it is usually easier/faster to get a clearance if you have > had one in recent history rather than applying for one for the first time or > trying to renew one that has been inactive for a number of years. But > companies still do it - it just takes longer. > > MDC > Marin, What you said originally has usually been the case but recently, due to exceptionally long delays (i.e. 2 years or more in some cases) in getting clearances, some companies are looking for people who already have them. We (Raytheon) do have some positions that require you to have one but we do hire a lot of people without current clearances as long as they are 'clearable' as you said. Having a current clearance is always a big plus but for most jobs, we will grab a good candidate with or without one. If you had a clearance that is over 2 years old (since last job used) it is basically like starting over. Many people can get an 'Interim' Secret in a fairly short time and, in most cases, that will suffice until the full clearance comes in. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jerry Petrey -- Senior Principal Systems Engineer - Navigation, Guidance, & Control -- Raytheon Missile Systems - Member Team Ada & Team Forth -- NOTE: please remove in email address to reply -----------------------------------------------------------------------------