From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-13 13:42:52 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.ipartners.pl!news.icm.edu.pl!not-for-mail From: Maciej Sobczak Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:43:15 +0100 Organization: http://news.icm.edu.pl/ Message-ID: <3BF193F3.5090903@maciejsobczak.com> References: <9smmcg$r0l$1@news.huji.ac.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: inferno.mikrus.pw.edu.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sunsite.icm.edu.pl 1005687771 9270 148.81.93.2 (13 Nov 2001 21:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@icm.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:42:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Accept-Language: en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:16460 Date: 2001-11-13T22:43:15+01:00 List-Id: Hi, Michal Nowak wrote: >> It seems that it is much easier to publish something that uses Java, rather >> the Ada. > > > Maybe I do not get the point. Why easier? > > >> (Take a look at some CS journals. You'll see th trend...) > > > You are right here. But trends may change. It does not depend on the programmers, but on the big companies that run our lives. > Although Java (as a language, not > as environment) is better than C++, Not so fast, man! (at least, don't say it loudly to any of the C++ gurus, because you will have to spend at least an hour listening why you're wrong :-)). > I hope (for many reasons), that it will > not became the world's only language. Me too. > Besides, I am a bit cotradictious, > and do not have tendency to go with the crowd's direction with blind eyes. > I try to consider some alternatives at start. Good idea. The problem is that you can learn and try many different languages as your own hobby, but when it comes to commerce, you're at the mercy of big companies, like M$ or Sun. You see, the problem with Ada (and recently with C++ - its market is shrinking, I think - esp. in Poland) is that they're *standard* languages. It means, that no company can close its market with any of those languages. Making compilers of Ada or C++ just does not pay well if people can migrate with their software from one compiler's vendor to another. M$ is better off investing big bucks into the C# development (and marketing), because once you get into the trap, you belong to them forever. The same is true for Sun with Java. You will never hear from them that C# and/or Java are far behind Ada and C++, even if M$ officially admits that C++ is the most extensively used language in the company (Windows, Office, Exchange, VStudio, all other stuff). I can bet that Sun still keeps lots of C/C++ programmers for server and OS development (and Java run-time, for that matter), too. So where this trend to Java/C# comes from? From money, of course. And there's a crowd that follows. That's why I'm not so optimistic when it comes to the near future. Ada is fine (I try to learn it, too), I personally like C++ (and I think I know quite a bit of it), but don't ask me what I'm doing at work... :-( > Mike Czesc, -- Maciej Sobczak http://www.maciejsobczak.com