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From: Jeffrey Carter <jrcarter@acm.org>
Subject: Re: List container: Insert and Delete
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:37:49 GMT
Date: 2001-11-11T17:37:49+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BEEB766.B50C969@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9sktgm$134npc$3@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de

Nick Roberts wrote:
> 
> We're programmers, Jeff, not mathematicians. We don't have to worry about
> what the mathematical definition of a list is. What we do have to worry
> about is what is: (a) useful from a user's point of view; (b) practical from
> an implementational point of view.

I'm a software engineer, but I use lists when I need to insert and
delete at arbitrary points in a sequence, just as with the mathematical
definition.

> 
> My suggestion that insertions and deletions be positioned by specifying an
> integer (starting at 1 for the first item in the list) satisfies (a), I
> think, but not necessarily (b), depending on the implementation.

Positive integers are generally used to indicate positions in lists in
mathematical notation. For a software list implemented using pointers
(an unbounded list), using integers to indicate positions becomes an
O(N) time operation for every reference to the list. It is better to
abstract the concept of a position to something that provides the same
behavior but with O(1) time complexity.

> 
> However, I'm pretty sure that trying to do insertions and deletions while
> iterating through a list fails both (a) and (b) miserably. That's what I was
> trying to get across.

I agree that one should not be doing insertions and deletions while
iterating over a list. Iterators should not allow this, and positions
should generally not be used for iteration.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"I blow my nose on you."
Monty Python & the Holy Grail



  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-11 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-10  3:51 List container strawman 1.2 Ted Dennison
2001-11-10  4:20 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-10  4:59   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 11:14 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 16:24   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 17:39     ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 18:31       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:45         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 22:44           ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11  3:59             ` Steven Deller
2001-11-11 11:29               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-11 17:42                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-11 12:36             ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 22:07         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 17:28           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-10 14:51 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-10 16:08   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-10 16:23     ` List container: Insert and Delete Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 17:13       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 21:20         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 22:15           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-10 22:48             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 22:40       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11  4:00         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-11 17:37           ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2001-11-11 19:29             ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12  0:20               ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12  3:48                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12 13:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 15:21                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-13  1:19                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 17:27                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13  1:28                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13  1:37                         ` Darren New
2001-11-13 15:58                         ` John English
2001-11-13 17:53                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-11-12 15:42                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12  5:23                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 13:04                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:36                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 17:20                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 18:55                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:56                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-12 20:36                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 21:14                           ` Darren New
2001-11-13  7:31                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 21:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-14  4:43                               ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13  2:16                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:18                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 15:03                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 15:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 16:16                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 19:59                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 20:18                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 21:26                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:39                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 22:16                                         ` Map container (was: List container: Insert and Delete) Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 15:07                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 22:22                                   ` List container: Insert and Delete Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 17:46                               ` Darren New
2001-11-13 19:25                                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-13 19:40                                   ` Darren New
2001-11-13 20:53                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 20:10                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:31                                   ` Darren New
2001-11-13 22:37                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 22:44                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 23:00                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-14 14:31                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 14:20                           ` Steven Deller
2001-11-13 15:48                   ` John English
2001-11-13 20:22                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 12:59                       ` John English
2001-11-14 14:55                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 15:34                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 16:35                           ` John English
2001-11-14 16:41                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 20:22                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-13 21:33                       ` Simon Wright
2001-11-14 12:54                       ` John English
2001-11-14 16:43                         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-14 18:19                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15  4:29                             ` List container: Sawdust woman 43 Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-15 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-16  1:59                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-15 20:30                             ` List container: Insert and Delete Simon Wright
2001-11-15 17:01                           ` John English
2001-11-19 17:40                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-20 10:52                               ` John English
2001-11-13 21:07                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 17:18                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 17:13               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 23:34             ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:33               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 17:28                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  2:27                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:21                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  4:16                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-14 15:03                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  0:51                 ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:51               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  0:44                 ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 14:18                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  4:17                     ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 16:12   ` List container strawman 1.2 Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:49     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 19:29       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 10:46         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-11 13:07           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-10 19:07     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-10 22:53       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 16:45         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-13  0:55           ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 15:11             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 22:17     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 22:04       ` Simon Wright
2001-11-12 16:53         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  7:25           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 22:04             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 17:43   ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 16:46 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:50   ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12  9:25 ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 12:57   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 15:32   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 16:58     ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 18:44       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  7:18         ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 21:26           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 23:53             ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-12 17:35     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 18:39       ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 19:58         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 18:39     ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12 20:05       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:12       ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-12 16:37   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 18:50     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  1:07       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 15:13         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-15 23:54           ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-13 19:10   ` Stephen Leake
     [not found] ` <3BF0247D.4500975E@san.rr.com>
2001-11-12 20:30   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 21:57   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 22:53     ` Darren New
2001-11-12 22:55       ` Darren New
2001-11-13 15:54         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:17           ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-13 22:37           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 15:49       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 16:38         ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-13 19:06           ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:43             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 20:50               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:08                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-14  4:34                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-14 14:58                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 17:36         ` Darren New
2001-11-14  4:40           ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 22:34         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-14 13:39           ` John English
2001-11-14 15:09             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 16:04               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-14 16:36                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-15 16:31               ` John English
2001-11-19 17:59                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-19 21:08                   ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-20 10:43                   ` John English
2001-11-21 19:40                   ` ramatthews
2001-11-22  3:01                     ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-22  9:28                       ` John English
2001-11-24  3:52                         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-23  2:21                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-24  0:27                         ` John English
2001-11-27 20:04                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28  8:10                           ` Thomas Wolf
2001-11-28 14:29                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 17:34                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 18:01                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 18:53                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 19:08                                     ` Overriding 'Class'Input (was: List container strawman 1.1) Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 19:19                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 20:40                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 21:21                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 21:50                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-29  5:12                                             ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-29 20:04                               ` List container strawman 1.2 Thomas Wolf
2001-11-16  0:01             ` martin.m.dowie
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