From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c62a5e526aafd9d4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-10-01 07:44:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Richard Riehle Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: The Hobby Lobby was Windows CE? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:17:41 -0700 Organization: AdaWorks Software Engineering Message-ID: <3BB7A815.20CF1D46@adaworks.com> References: <9onhgu$9h9$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3BAF77E6.9BDE9102@adaworks.com> <9onvig$f6n$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3bb05ee7.10496763@news.demon.co.uk> <3BB0B3C4.432E2B4B@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <3bb1d07f.18201562@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: richard@adaworks.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.c4.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 30 Sep 2001 23:14:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13581 Date: 2001-09-30T23:14:45+00:00 List-Id: > I have read all the responses to this point regarding the captioned topic. Apparently, I failed to make my original point. A key ingredient to the success of Ada is for those of us who are advocates to produce products using the language. That is, we need successful software applications built in Ada. A company with this kind of success can lead to others adopting it, provided they allow the public to know that Ada has been used. It is not very productive for us to ask others to take the risk of entering the market with boxed set compilers, shrink-wrapped books, etc. Robert has succinctly, and with uncharacterisitic gentleness (insert smiley here), made this point in his replies. I am encouraging those people who are within my sphere of influence to build projects using Ada. At least one will be presented at this week's SigAda conference. Others have been completed and will be published in the coming months. We can best promote Ada, at this point, not be crowing about how good it can be, but by demonstrating how good it is. And this is best done by committing our own resources to the creation of products in the language. After we have built and sold such products, we can quietly remind those who admire our work that about the role of Ada. As not what an Ada compiler publisher can do for you. Rather, ask what you can do for Ada. Of those who regular comment in this forum, surely there are a few who have ideas for what Bill Gates labels, "great" software products. I hope we have not exhausted our list of ideas for commercial products. In fact, I believe there is still a large number of applications that are, either done badly and can be improved, or have not been addressed by shrink-wrapped software at all and can be introduced. Robert Dewar and ACT, Randy Brukhardt and RR Software, John English, David Botton, Martin Carlisle, and many others have built Ada toolsets. It is up to us to demonstrate that we can create marketable products using those tools. Richard Riehle richard@adaworks.com