From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27539c823b51b306 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-20 05:25:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B80F59A.BB73A79A@earthlink.net> From: "Marc A. Criley" Organization: Quadrus Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada vendors and the art of selling used cars References: <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:25:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.178.185.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 998310328 63.178.185.203 (Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:25:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:25:28 PDT X-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:22:47 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12118 Date: 2001-08-20T12:25:28+00:00 List-Id: Andrzej Lewandowski wrote: > > Ada vendors, > > Could you please publish price list of your products? > > With notable exception of R.R. Software that makes the price list public, > any attempt to know the cost of tools from other vendors results in "you > will be contacted by our sales representative". The very first attempt of > such sales representative is investigating the depth of my pocket. Usual > question is "what for you will be using our product?" that generates my > standard answer: "not your f...g business". My past experience with two of the major vendors has been: Rational Apex: Around '96-97, it was several thousand (US $) per Unix seat. I do not know what their current pricing structure is for Unix or Windows. Maintenance then was 15% of the licensing fees per year. ACT GNAT: ACT does not sell seat licenses of course, they sell support contracts. The last price I recall, from 1999, was $12,000 to support 10 developers--which is actually quite competitive with other language development environments for the high level of service provided. And on a project that had at least ten active developers, I wouldn't hesitate to have an ACT support contract, it'd be stupid not to. Threads here in the past have questioned ACT's refusal to market to single developers or very small shops--the short answer is, it's not the market they're after. So don't ask :-) And to the Ada vendors: Yes, this is dated information, it's overly simplistic, it doesn't take into account the specific needs of the customer or the services provided by the vendor, etc. I know, the intent here is just to provide some ballpark figures, you're welcome to update them. Marc A. Criley