From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-26 10:24:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!nnrp1.tor.metronet.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B605258.3F12BBDD@home.com> From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? References: <5be89e2f.0107170838.c71ad61@posting.google.com> <5be89e2f.0107180235.726d46a8@posting.google.com> <9j3rrd$g71$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <5be89e2f.0107181300.4b4e93d7@posting.google.com> <3B57195E.A3A3FED@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107191336.39376b9@posting.google.com> <3B5CE9D7.CB4AE34B@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107250250.2954154c@posting.google.com> <3B5EEE13.BD2B0E4F@home.com> <5be89e2f.0107251349.6078e5b@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:24:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.47.195 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:24:41 MDT Organization: MetroNet Communications Group Inc. Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10607 Date: 2001-07-26T17:24:41+00:00 List-Id: codesavvy wrote: > I would love to see Ada more widely adopted and/or the demand increase > for Ada developers. The case has to be made to management not me. My > question is, "Is the case for Ada being made effectively?" I guess my response is "By whom?" and "Probably not." Part of the problem is that people still associate "Ada" with the features of "Ada83" -- not the more modern Ada95. Given the age of management, and the fact that the ones with tech experience got away from it before 1995, will mean that this will be the norm. The other stigma that still is attached seems to be "oh, isn't that the language that the military use?" Or "wasn't that the language designed by committee?" Only education can overcome these biases. I do believe that the fact that Ada is being increasingly used in Universities means that more graduates will be entering the work force with a more informed opinion of Ada. The freely available GNAT compiler also makes it possible for people to get first hand experience with the language without shelling out a fortune. Both of these factors have been a "relatively recent innovation", and so only time will tell if more people manage to ride that bandwagon. The other emerging factor may be the rise in Open Sourced/GPLed projects written in Ada. More people will actually see Ada being used, and if they want to recompile/modify it, they'll need to have the GNAT compiler et al installed as well. Once it is on your system, you might be more inclined to try it too ;-) As far as convincing management -- that is where those of us who care must be prepared to educate. In some cases, like Linux/FreeBSD, you can simply sneak it in the back door. After all, the pearl zealots get away with this! ;-) -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://members.home.net/ve3wwg