From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-23 19:54:17 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B5CE358.A5CEA8A6@home.com> From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: An Ada IDE and discussions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:54:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.141.193.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 995943257 24.141.193.224 (Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:54:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:54:17 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10492 Date: 2001-07-24T02:54:17+00:00 List-Id: "Beard, Frank" wrote: > I was browsing around the Aonix Web site > (http://www.aonix.com/content/index.html) > and clicked on the Product button at the top of the screen. > I just happened to look at TeleUSE. It is supposed to be a > high powered GUI/Development tool for Unix. I noticed a new > product TeleUSE/Windows. The product now claims you can do > development on either platform and run on the other. I quote ...snip... > I know you can't really go by what a vendor says, but if it's > half as good as they claim, why don't they advertise it more, > or at least speak up on this list. > > Has anyone used this product? > Does it run on Linux? > > Frank Linux? Dunno.. We looked at it briefly. We were looking for a rapid X-Window development package, and for this, it didn't seem to make the grade for us. I am convinced that if you become well-versed in their product, including their "D" language, it might work well. However, if you have the situation where your developers are not using the product daily/weekly, and/or they're not quick on the technical uptake, you won't find it's use "rapid". It does purport to support the "whole development life cycle", which may justify the "extra effort". For us, quick and _easy_ development was more important, since for maintenance, we rarely make big changes to the screens after the fact. What I found with my initial trials was that I could have coded the darn thing by hand faster (at least for smaller screens). What I also found was that when I got it to generate code, I often ended up choosing names that conflicted with "something else", and so it would seldom work for me the first time (there would be conflicts in their "D" language with either other objects or keywords). This would be OK, but there was never any errors or warnings -- just the compiled code would not work. After much investigation, you could eventually make it work -- but this defeated the "quick development time" that we were looking for. We ended up going for X-Designer, which was much easier to learn (you might be able to use it without documentation). It did not require proprietary widget libraries either. THe downsides are that it has fewer widgets to choose from (but you can add to the selection), and it does not try to address the full "development life cycle". X-Designer is available for Linux, and I think it can support Ada if you use some downloadable perl script to do some script-magic. FWIW, Warren. -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://members.home.net/ve3wwg