From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-19 06:13:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B56D060.EF478F36@earthlink.net> From: "Marc A. Criley" Organization: Quadrus Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? References: <3B59EE1C@MailAndNews.com> <5be89e2f.0107180606.7185b1cb@posting.google.com> <3B559E79.F21DBE5C@earthlink.net> <5be89e2f.0107181231.40bde882@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.178.180.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 995548374 63.178.180.65 (Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:12:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:12:54 PDT X-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:10:31 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10246 Date: 2001-07-19T13:12:54+00:00 List-Id: codesavvy wrote: > > Questions regarding productiviy are bogus? Of course you ignore the > other question that pertains to the point I'm trying to make. Of course I ignored the questions to which I was not responding, I conscientiously chose to respond only to the..yes..bogus question you asked: > > > "What class(es) of programming problems does Ada solve that C++ can't. > > > > Any computable problem can be solved by an appropriately programmed > > Turing Machine (TM). Programming language constructs can be converted > > into TM instructions (albeit very long and tedious ones). Therefore a > > C++ to TM compiler, an Ada to TM compiler, or an Assembly language to TM > > compiler, can solve any computable problem. > > > > Of course this is true but there are certain problems that are solved > more "productively" with certain languages as opposed to other > languages. Oh, did I misread the question? I thought it said "What class(es) of programming problems does Ada solve that C++ can't."--which is a bogus question. I didn't realize that what that meant was "What class(es) of programming problems does Ada solve more productively than C++". > > That you asked this question demonstrates that you do not understand > > computability. Therefore asking to compare programming languages (of > > any level) in terms of what can or cannot be programmed using them is > > (very) silly. They are TM-equivalent. > > > > All this to put someone down. I commend you on your perception. comp.lang.ada is a technical newsgroup that is patronized by both a large number of highly experienced, knowledgable software professionals as well as less experienced individuals that are seeking to learn more. A newcomer to the group then announces him or herself by making demands for metrics and studies and dismisses as unsupported opinion the millenia of hard-earned experience held by its participants, asks bogus questions indicating a flawed understanding of computability, and makes assertions that are glaringly false--such as compiler and platform ports being very rare. > Do you have anything besides your opinions? A rap across the snout with a newspaper is not out of order. Marc A. Criley Senior Staff Engineer Quadrus Corporation www.quadruscorp.com