From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,971aa11c293c3db1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-18 15:02:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B5607AC.150BA836@mediaone.net> From: Ed Falis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language? References: <5be89e2f.0107170838.c71ad61@posting.google.com> <9j1uio$8br$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <5be89e2f.0107171810.1cee29c0@posting.google.com> <9j46bt$3qj$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <5be89e2f.0107181237.4ab3594@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:02:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.96.132.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 995493758 65.96.132.248 (Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:02:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:02:38 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10215 Date: 2001-07-18T22:02:38+00:00 List-Id: codesavvy wrote: > You must have missed my other post where I stated that Ada 95 is an > excellent language and may actually be better than C++. However, I > don't feel that developer productivity is significantly enhanced with > Ada 95 as opposed to C++. I have asked if anyone knew of a study > where the conclusion was that Ada 95 increased productivity and so far > I've only been chastised. Not to attribute intentions to you, but generally any demand in newsgroups for studies in this kind of area is a clear win for the challenger, because there has been so little done in that regard, due to expense. As a debating tactic, it throws the onus on the person being challenged, as though only that person is making an assertion, which is usually not the case. Meta-discussion aside, as far as I know, no such studies exist for Ada 95 vs C++. Are you aware of any regarding C++ vs "language x"? For that matter, I can't really think of much along these lines anywhere, excepting the function point comparisons (some hypothetical) that Capers Jones had/has somewhere on the web. Actually, I just looked it up for you: http://www.spr.com/library/0langtbl.htm. Note that the Ada 95 figure is projected, and that C++ and Ada 95 are listed with close enough numbers to be a wash using that projection. There is one fairly thorough study of Ada 83 vs C that was done by Steve Zeigler of Verdix before the company was acquired by Rational. I believe that study is still available on the Rational website. Try http://www.rational.com/products/whitepapers/337.jsp The problem, of course, is that we don't really know whether it generalizes to a comparison of Ada 95 and C++ - the most it can do is lead one to surmise. - Ed