From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-16 14:11:35 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!newsfeed1.global.lmco.com!svlnews.lmms.lmco.com!news1.lmtas.lmco.com!not-for-mail From: Gary Scott Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: is ada dead? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:14:56 -0500 Organization: LM Aeronautics Message-ID: <3B534B40.345D62FB@lmtas.lmco.com> References: <3B460DA9.C2965042@ix.netcom.com> <9ff447f2.0107061757.34ca0723@posting.google.com> <3B475678.C582735D@worldnet.att.net> <3b478165_3@news3.prserv.net> <3b48d207_1@news3.prserv.net> <3B51DD8A.9FBCA84F@ix.netcom.com> <9iv1pd$3va$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <2$l9ZPZiDd4x@eisner.encompasserve.org> <9ivbba$7ur$1@nh.pace.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: CAA261517.lmtas.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; LMTAS} (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10019 Date: 2001-07-16T15:14:56-05:00 List-Id: Hi, several of the Fortran 95 vendors include multiple compilers within their distribution. So you get a Fortran 77, Fortran 95, and a C++ compiler all for the price of one, all interoperable, all using the same IDE. Would that help? Marin David Condic wrote: > > Note that I did use the plural - "C++ environmentSSSSSS" :-) > > As for competition - if there is a significant market there, competitors > will get into the game. The problem right now is that Ada has such a > (relatively) small share of the market, that nobody wants to go fighting > over the scraps. I'd bet that if some vendor offered an Ada kit that started > to sell over a million copies, you'd see Bill Gates "embracing and > extending" it real fast. Right now though, the Ada vendors are maybe > managing to make a living, but nobody wants to compete in a market like > that - they want to go for "The Big Score". > > Maybe this is why we Ada-philes feel lucky to have even one vendor around > supporting our favorite platform. If our ranks grew, we'd have more leverage > and could start demanding more. > > As for the GPL thing - I think we could fix that real fast if we actually > got the ADCL concept off the ground. We'd probably find *LOTS* of developers > who would gladly put their code out for freely available access if they > thought there was a chance that down the road somewhere, they might make a > buck off of it. Right now with the GPL, you basically get nothing for your > contribution, except possibly the ability to earn a buck as a consultant on > something you are intimately familiar with because you wrote it and the nice > warm fuzzy feeling you get watching Red Hat clean up by selling the code you > wrote. > > MDC > -- > Marin David Condic > Senior Software Engineer > Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com > Enabling the digital revolution > e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com > Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ > > "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message > news:2$l9ZPZiDd4x@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <9iv1pd$3va$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, "Marin David Condic" > writes: > > > One of the things that would go a long way to countering the > misinformation > > > and overcoming the objections about tools, etc, would be to have an > > > inexpensive development toolkit sitting on the shelf next to the C++ > > > environments with equivalent & better features at a competitive price. > > > > But there is not one C compiler, there are many. > > > > That brings up another problem Ada faces, a lack of competition. > > Advocates are happy just to get one compiler for an environment, > > but there is never the competition that gets one vendor trying to > > outdo the other in features desired by the customer base. > > > > I believe that is also a shortcoming of Freeware, GPL, etc. > > Supporters are inclined to rally around the (single) flag > > than try to do something with broader appeal to the public.