From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-10 13:10:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B4B613B.25659225@mediaone.net> From: Ed Falis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) References: <3B4B3432.5BAFE9E1@easystreet.com> <3B4B4BF9.12C1E8C@lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:10:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.96.132.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 994795803 65.96.132.248 (Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:10:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:10:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9730 Date: 2001-07-10T20:10:03+00:00 List-Id: "Michael P. Card" wrote: > A business set up to operate in this kind of "build-to-order" environment is simply not capable of mastering the other > kind of business model, which would be more like "speculative manufacturing," where you build something you *think* > people will want to buy, thus putting your $$ at risk in hopes enough people will buy your product that you can recoup > your costs and make a profit. Yes, and the inability to handle it on the procurement side had a lot to do with the demise of several compiler vendors (who were following the ISV model), because the expectations were for custom support / product enhancement at commodity prices. Witness the (lack of) success of Aonix' windows product, that was priced comparably to Visual Studio, and approached it in terms of capability. But Ada customers wanted the kind of support they got with 5-digit development systems. By the way, Al, I don't remember selling any 6-digit development systems in the 16 years I was with Alsys/Thomson/Aonix. Maybe the big R got away with it, but I don't think anyone else did, and few tried. - Ed