From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-02 04:41:38 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B405DDF.5C3F9207@acm.org> From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software References: <9gsvr7$7ho$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> <9h7guv$pt1$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B3879CE.AC550F8E@acm.org> <3B3E73E8.F9C36524@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 07:41:21 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 994074094 206.55.10.86 (Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:41:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:41:34 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9319 comp.lang.java.programmer:80020 comp.lang.pl1:1182 comp.lang.vrml:3968 comp.lang.java.advocacy:22497 Date: 2001-07-02T07:41:21-04:00 List-Id: Lao Xiao Hai wrote:"Perhaps. But, for most organizations, emphasis on the word most, computing > resources within an organization was under the centralized managment of > one central authority. Moreover, most of the computing was located in one > place. It is true that some very large corporations had computers distributed > across their divisions, but that was a luxury not affordable by most of industry. You're missing the point the centralized equipment does not imply centralized use of the equipment. > This centralization, during the 70's and through the mid-80's even extended to > collections of companies. Ever hear of a service bureau. ROTF,LMAO! Heard of them? I've worked for them. I've never heard of a service bureau where the programming was centralized; the norm was that the customer did his own programming. > Networks were still a mystery for most people. Most people didn't work with computers. Dialup access was common in the late '60s. > Programmers were busy > grinding out programs in COBOL. I take it that you never had anything to do with scientific computing? > Compilers needed large memory spaces > and operating systems and these were hosted on million dollar plus machines, Yeah, like the 650, 1401, 1620 and 1130? Maybe they weren't glamorous, and they were too small to be of interest to service bureaus except for the odd 1401 used as c/t and t/p, but there were a lot of them. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz