From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-26 04:52:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.nibble.net!hub1.nntpserver.com!easynews!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B387768.FF5E9744@acm.org> From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software References: <9gsvr7$7ho$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:52:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 993556342 206.55.10.86 (Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:52:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:52:22 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9111 comp.lang.java.programmer:78798 comp.lang.pl1:1127 comp.lang.vrml:3913 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21994 Date: 2001-06-26T07:52:11-04:00 List-Id: Ken Garlington wrote: > Let's say, just hypothetically, that you've been programming since 1960. How > long can you remember trends in the computing industry (which, presumably, > is different from either academic computing or hobbyist programming)? Trends were also different between scientific and commercial computing. Centralized development was much more common in the commercial sector. > In fact, let's go further - does your memory confirm that the OS/360 > development effort described in Brooks was fairly typical (if not advanced) > for industrial computing in the early-to-mid 1960's? I remember being shocked that the S/360 didn't include any relocation capability. I remember that OS/360 inherited some nice features from IBSYS/IBJOB. Overall, my memory confirms that it was less advanced but more comprehensive than what was available from other vendors. In particular, both UNIVAC and Burroughs had working multiprocessors on standard lines well before the 65MP or even the 9020. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz