From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 11440e,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid11440e,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-07 10:37:52 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1FBBED.54340482@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> From: Wes Groleau X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,es,fr,pt MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? References: <9f2nks$ibd$0@dosa.alt.net> <3B177EF7.2A2470F4@facilnet.es> <9f8b7b$h0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9f8r0i$lu3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fgagu$6ae$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fjgha$blf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com> <9fli1b$4aa$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:37:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.168.144.162 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com 991935471 151.168.144.162 (Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:37:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:37:51 EDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ruby:10457 comp.lang.ada:8334 comp.lang.awk:2850 comp.lang.clarion:21333 comp.lang.java.programmer:74463 comp.lang.pl1:854 comp.lang.vrml:3596 Date: 2001-06-07T12:37:49-05:00 List-Id: > >I hear you. I agree with this. I'd prefer a language design that does not > >ALLOW something like what you just described, no matter how much "expressive > >power" can be gained for the attainment of Good And Noble goals. (Sort of an > > Well.. it's always hard to predict how creative the programmer can be. Java > was supposed to be "clean"... of course it didn't take too long for people to > prove otherwise :) On the flip side, be too restrictive, and you could end > up with a dead language. People complained about Pascal because it was so > "structured". > > It really depends on the programmer - like you said, anything can be taken to > the extremes, and even the greatest language in the world can end up looking > horrible in the hands of a talented (ahem) programmer, and there's not much we > can do to "fix" this. I've accepted this about C/C++: I know it's not > perfect, and I do bitch about it off and on, but it works well for me for what > I need to do. > > A hammer's just so damn useful, but I still sometimes hit my thumb. Compare the last remark to the nested quote, then consider: Hit (What => Thumbnail, With => Hammer); ^^^^^ type mismatch -- #%^%*&$^%& stupid babysitter language won't let me do what I want! -- Let's see, ..... oh yeah: function Other_Nail is new Unchecked_Conversion (Source => Fingernail, Target => Construction_Nail); ... Hit (What => Other_Nail (Thumbnail), With => Hammer); -- #$%^#^% stupid verbose language has 95% more keystrokes than necessary!!! -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau