From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 11440e,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid11440e,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-06 03:11:33 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.iac.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!newshost.central.susx.ac.uk!news.bton.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: John English Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:14:31 +0100 Organization: University of Brighton Message-ID: <3B1DF477.F47230B2@brighton.ac.uk> References: <83WP6.3874$yc6.728572@news.xtra.co.nz> <3B1411D0.3AAF42E7@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9f2nks$ibd$0@dosa.alt.net> <3B177EF7.2A2470F4@facilnet.es> <9f8b7b$h0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9f8r0i$lu3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fgagu$6ae$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fjgha$blf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-b2.bton.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: saturn.bton.ac.uk 991818829 15511 194.81.199.182 (6 Jun 2001 09:13:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@bton.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2001 09:13:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ruby:10414 comp.lang.ada:8217 comp.lang.awk:2807 comp.lang.clarion:21196 comp.lang.java.programmer:73984 comp.lang.pl1:803 comp.lang.vrml:3540 Date: 2001-06-06T09:13:49+00:00 List-Id: Pete Thompson wrote: > Good terse: clear summary, concise, succinct. > Bad terse: hidden, cryptic, magical. > > Good verbosity: descriptive, explanatory. > Bad verbosity: tedious, rambling, long-winded. There are also many instances of "bad verbose" code where "bad verbose" translates to "hidden, cryptic, magical", or even just plain stupid. As an extreme example of this, I cite a past student of mine who couldn't remember how to determine the length of a string, and resorted to writing it to a temporary file because he knew how to find the size of a file... :-( ----------------------------------------------------------------- John English | mailto:je@brighton.ac.uk Senior Lecturer | http://www.comp.it.bton.ac.uk/je Dept. of Computing | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS ** University of Brighton | -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk -----------------------------------------------------------------