From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 11440e,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid11440e,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-05 08:05:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!feeder01.news.de.uu.net!news-1.bank.dresdner.net!not-for-mail From: James Kanze Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:49:15 +0200 Organization: Dresdner Bank AG Message-ID: <3B1CF16B.667E6D6@dresdner-bank.com> References: <3B0DBD4A.82943473@my-deja.net> <3B0DD011.88FCD00E@acm.org> <83WP6.3874$yc6.728572@news.xtra.co.nz> <3B1411D0.3AAF42E7@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9f2v82$hp7$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b1ad864$4$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> <9fg6nk$4rv$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Reply-To: default@dresdner-bank.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ffzj09tz.bank.dresdner.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD drebazen10 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,de Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ruby:10394 comp.lang.ada:8169 comp.lang.awk:2774 comp.lang.clarion:21116 comp.lang.java.programmer:73714 comp.lang.pl1:769 comp.lang.vrml:3501 Date: 2001-06-05T16:49:15+02:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > Oh, I *have* a debugger with the Ada compiler I use. I just never > turn it on. I don't even know how. :-) > Here's a thing: Debuggers in and of themselves are not a bad > thing. This is especially true with embedded systems where you need > a debugger (or maybe more properly a "monitor") in order to watch > the code run - something often invisible within an embedded > machine. The thing is that in my experience, use of C/C++ means you > end up heavily reliant on the debugger in the act of code > development because you just have no choice. Why do you say this? I've used C/C++ regularly for over 15 years, and I don't use a debugger for anything other than for getting a stack trace on a post-mortem. Of course, my C/C++ code is riddled with assertions, so if there is an error, the program generally falls over quite near the point of error, rather than somewhere unrelated. Java takes care of a (very) few of the cases you have to handle be hand in C++: array bounds, for example. But on the whole, I've found debugging a lot more difficult in Java. No assertion, no enforcement of contracts at the interface level, etc. -- James Kanze mailto:kanze@gabi-soft.de Conseils en informatique orient�e objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung Ziegelh�ttenweg 17a, 60598 Frankfurt, Germany Tel. +49(069)63198627