From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-15 02:25:11 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.tu-graz.ac.at!news.kfunigraz.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Siegfried Gonzi Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:19:17 +0200 Organization: Universitaet Graz Message-ID: <3B00F495.2CA1A45C@kfunigraz.ac.at> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: igam11ws.kfunigraz.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: jerry.kfunigraz.ac.at 989918357 30954 143.50.39.67 (15 May 2001 09:19:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.kfunigraz.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2001 09:19:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7513 comp.lang.lisp:10069 comp.lang.smalltalk:9679 comp.lang.functional:5647 comp.lang.scheme:3817 comp.lang.perl:2751 Date: 2001-05-15T09:19:17+00:00 List-Id: Andreas Krennmair wrote: > > Ouch. This is probably a bad idea... > You mean the age? That's not a problem. This school actually educates Austria's > software engineering elite. [all the crosspostings are not deleted from my side, so be aware] > You are joking? I also attended such a (to be honest not computer-science but mechanical-engineering) school. Now I am at the university and in July I will start with my PhD thesis in physics. So, I know what I am talking about when I say that the difference between the HTL (the above mentioned school is named that in Austria: Hoehere Technische Bundeslehranstalt) and the university is similar to black and white. Sure HTL graduates have some basic knowledge, but it is not legal to compare that knowledge to knowledge which graduates from universities own. Do not get me wrong, but the teachers at the HTL only have got as a degree a MS. Knowing different programming languages (and more is not teached at the HTL during the 5 years) is not enough. So, I think the phrase "elite" is in no way appropiate for HTL graduates. But that doesn't mean that I connect with "elite" university graduates only. What counts is what someone know... S. Gonzi