From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-13 07:26:01 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!reader1.news.nl.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Karel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Th=F6nissen?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: [OT] Software Engineering at 14 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:29:07 +0200 Organization: UUNET-NL (http://www.nl.uu.net) Message-ID: <3AFE9A33.951957B4@hello.nl> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <87snihxiwc.fsf@frown.here> <9dbi83$sji$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <87heyu7cqd.fsf@frown.here> <9dc20p$hh15e$1@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9ddfv2$gl3$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <9dh21o$i8crr$2@ID-37382.news.dfncis.de> <9dhtr9$59d$1@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU> <7iurft0hbh4ilp040t9vob6bmhbfsavgkb@4ax.com> <9dliea$ies$2@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> <3AFE724C.31E70509@hello.nl> <9dlvo3$msa$2@bird.wu-wien.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust30.tnt41.rtm1.nl.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: porthos.nl.uu.net 989763840 20114 213.117.0.30 (13 May 2001 14:24:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2001 14:24:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [nl]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: nl,de,en Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7457 comp.lang.lisp:9949 comp.lang.smalltalk:9637 comp.lang.functional:5601 comp.lang.scheme:3768 comp.lang.perl:2710 Date: 2001-05-13T14:24:00+00:00 List-Id: Markus Mottl schreef: > > In comp.lang.functional Karel Th�nissen wrote: > > This minister was fired within a week, so the similarity with many of > > the countries mentioned earlier is rather weak: they did as they > > preached. > > So what? Our president refused the appointments of two ministers and > this "only", because they had made statements with a racist touch - > something which is not too uncommon among foreign politicians of even > "politically correct" parties either. Other ministers were fired out of > different reasons, none of them being related to racist or extremist > activities. I think that our democratic institutions still work fine > (which doesn't mean that I am happy about our current government). > > > Bollocks. The minister of foreign affairs was the federal minister. The > > person that you call minister of internal affairs was not a federal > > minister: he was minister of internal affairs for Flanders. Note that > > he did not survive the political debate within the Flemish parliament. > > Right, but this just makes the situation even more interesting: how comes > that a country (Belgium) that attempts to stand as one has different > governments for, ahem, different ethnic groups (regions)? Does the > term "Vlaams Blok" ring a bell (and Sauwens isn't even member of this > extreme-right party so better don't ask how extremist those are!)? Have > you ever heard of ethnic clashes in Austria with Slovenian or Hungarian > minorities? I haven't. Just to make sure, I am not bashing Belgium > as a whole. It's only double moral if people of a country that has > sufficient problems with the extreme right point with a finger and say > "All of you ...". > > In any case, it doesn't make things any better that Sauwens does not > represent the whole of Belgium. Even if it was "only" Flanders, he still > had enough representative power to be internationally known (e.g. I > remember that he once visited Austria to establish economic connections). > > Again: what is so bad about Austria (or so good about other countries) > that even some people of technically oriented newgroups can't resist the > temptation of bashing it as a whole (rather than specific aspects)? I > have never given my vote to any right-winged party so how do I deserve > reading criticism that is general enough to cover even me? Don't you > realize that this kind of generalizing, simple-minded criticism is > exactly what right-winged politicians need to gain votes? I must assume that this is a general remark, because I personally did not bash Austria, not now in this discussion here, nor a year ago when the debate ran, exactly for the reasons mentioned by you. I just wanted to point out that the Belgian situation was different. -- Groeten, Karel Th�nissen Hello Technologies develops high-integrity software for complex systems