From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 106e63,4d69155937632764 X-Google-Attributes: gid106e63,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-06 04:42:23 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.euro.net!transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail From: Reinout Heeck Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme Subject: Re: SV: Beginner's Language? Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:42:54 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: <3AF538BE.836E1B76@Desk.org> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <3AF4841D.7B63812C@Desk.org> <3AF4AD27.BE4B5678@Desk.org> <3AF4CD7D.80F16169@Desk.org> <9d3a8f$fjl$1@zingo.tninet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.109.3.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.xs4all.nl 989149342 11223 194.109.3.67 (6 May 2001 11:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 2001 11:42:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7230 comp.lang.lisp:9740 comp.lang.functional:5539 comp.lang.scheme:3652 Date: 2001-05-06T11:42:22+00:00 List-Id: Dan Andersson wrote: > > > > > The Forth ANSI standard is small enough to be grasped by a single > person > > > > so there is no need to aim at a restricted set there. > > > > > > This was my point. > > > > OK, the Smalltalk core is _much_ smaller and the presence of a simple > > syntax makes it easier to read than Forth though. So I'd say of these > > two Smalltalk is the 'better' example. > > Smalltalk core smaller than Forth, surely you jest? Maybe a minimal > Smalltalk is smaller than a full ANS Forth. But Forth is commonly used under > severely constrained circumstances and the base wordset is small. > > Regards Dan Andersson I was talking language concepts you need to learn before delving into the library, not memory footprint. As I said earlier in this thread I would seriously consider Forth if I had to work in a tiny environment. Reinout -------