From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-01 13:28:52 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Lao Xiao Hai Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What to Do? Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:22:00 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <3A50F4F8.185E783B@ix.netcom.com> References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <92nok7$cd6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <92nr3k$edg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A50A139.182F4EED@acm.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.35.b3.bb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jan 2001 21:26:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3525 Date: 2001-01-01T21:26:11+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > I hear tell that there are commercial operations that use Ada. However, I > have never personally run into one or seen an ad in a job posting somewhere > looking for Ada experience that wasn't in some way connected to the DoD. I > would be *very* happy to be proven wrong on this repeatedly. :-) We have had several non-Dod Ada clients over the past fourteen years of consulting and training in Ada. Not all of them have been a rousing success. Last week I visited one of them in Silicon Valley. They have pretty much abandoned Ada in favor of C++. The reasons? 1) It is easier to recruit C++ programmers. 2) They find more software in C++ matching their needs. 3) The one person in management who was an Ada enthusiast has left the company. His replacement is a C++ advocate. This is not an isolated case. We have seen it before. One early Ada 95 client for safety-critical software was excited about using Ada. Against our advice, they selected a compiler from a large, well-known compiler publisher. This publisher did not have a full implementation of Ada 95 and was also transitioning to other business interests. The excitement about Ada turned into disappointment. We recommended some alternatives, but disillusionment had already manifested itself among the programming staff and they decided on another course. Richard Riehle