From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,577df5d4a0e88785 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-12-14 05:03:14 PST Message-ID: <3A38C51D.C7D15F8B@amsjv.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:03:25 +0000 From: Philip Anderson Organization: Alenia Marconi Systems ISD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: OT ae [was Re: Bad coding standards] References: <91adsb$ipp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.196.71.137 X-Trace: 14 Dec 2000 12:57:45 GMT, 141.196.71.137 Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news-x.support.nl!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!pull.gecm.com!141.196.71.137 Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3123 Date: 2000-12-14T13:03:25+00:00 List-Id: Robert Dewar wrote: > Warning: non-Ada diversion > > P.S. is aesthetics an allowable spelling in American > english? I don't have an American dictionary at hand. > The OED only permits the use of "e" or the ae letter > which I can't even write in this ASCII character set, > but does not permit a separate a and e character. I don't have an OED (or other Oxford dictionary) to hand, but Chambers (also) UK does not use the 'ae' ligature in aesthetics or any other 'ae' combination that I can see, with the exception of 'aesc', an Old English rune. This represented the sound also written as ligatured 'ae'in Old English, a vowel distinct from and further forward than 'a' (pronounced as in 'cat' in my speech), and hence was a distinct letter. Usually, 'ae' comes from Latin and in the middle of words often represents Greek 'ai'. In inscriptions, the Romans often ligatured letters together, not just AE; in Late and Church Latin, it tended to turn into plain 'e'. Do the uses cited by the OED for aesthetics etc use the ligature I wonder, or is it just the OED house-style? I rather doubt if there is a commonly-accepted rule, let lone a definitive one. Socrates talked about his 'daimon', and it's usually 'translated' like that to avoid the connotations of 'demon' I guess. -- hwyl/cheers, Philip Anderson Alenia Marconi Systems Cwmbr�n, Cymru/Wales